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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:03 pm 
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Hello, folks!

Applicant Iobike here!

I'm currently just about Master Artisan, and made some interesting observations today while crafting better Weapon Repair Tools than the ones for sale in the Avian Mall.. :wink:

When experimenting, a result of 99% is maxed out. It is not 99%, it is really 100%.
Experimenting with the experimenting seems to show that the percentage shown is approximately the correct percentage minus 1. Anyway - this is details - rounding errors. The experiment result in % shows a slightly lower value than its actual value - that's all.
The result of 99% is a 'true' value of 100%, while other numbers should be taken with a pinch of salt, as they're actually slighty higher than shown.


The point: The result when crafting is the experimentation value times the quality of the resources. In other words, if you have experimented up to 99% (which really is 100%), the result is simply the quality of the resources.
You will also get the same result if you experiment to 99% with 500 quality resources as if you experiment to 50% with 1000 quality resources.
Of course, using 500 quality resources, you might have a hard time crafting to 99%..

You will thus get a 'rating' from 0 to 100%, from the formula:
rating = experimentation * (resourcequality/1000).
(If the final rating is below 0, the value 0 is used).

Example: 99%(=100%) experimentation, a resource using conductivity of 998:
rating = 100% * 0.998 = 1 * 0.998 = 99.8%

Example: 29%(=30%) experimentation, a resource using conductivity of 998:
rating = 30% * 0.998 = 0.30 * 0.998 = 30%


You also have a 'range' the end result is applied to, for example 0 to 100, 0 to 40 or -15 to 15.

That is especially easy to see when crafting repair tools, as the Functionality of the resulting product ranges from 0 to 100.
If you have experimented all the way up to 99%(=100%), you will get a resulting Functionality in 100% * (resourcequality/1000)
When creating a Weapon Repair tool with experimentation of 99% and resource value of 998, the resulting product has a 'rating' of 99.8%. Shown in as Functionality, this is 99.8%.

A Crafting tool has a quality value ranging from -15 to 15. If we create one of these using experimentation of 99% and resource quality of 998, the resulting product will get a 'rating' of 99.8%. Expressed on the Crafting Tools' functionality scale from -15 to 15, this will be (99.8% * 30) - 15 = 14.94
(Which is what you'll get, just try!) :)


Thus, to create an ultimate item, one would have to experiment up to 99% using resources with a quality rating of 1000. Then, a Weapon Repair kit would have a Functionality of 100% and a Crafting tool would have a Functionality of 15.00


I also assume that this also holds for crafts using resources with different quality levels on the different attibutes.
If this holds, and you experiment up to 99% with Overall Quality 904 and Toughness 567, where OQ counts 66% and Toughness counts 33%, you will get a 'result' of 100% * (0.904 * 66% + 0.567 * 33%) = 79.17%. On a scale ranging from -15 to 15, this would be 8.75, while on a scale from 0-100 this would be 79.17 (obviously).


This might have been discussed on your closed forum, but since I'm not yet a member, I can't read it.. :wink:

(Edited, for speling and a few clarifications)

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Wow I've had too much beer.

Wait thats not possible. :)

Thanks for the ..... info.


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Beer googles can be a very bad thing. So, I have to say you can have to much beer for your own sanity...if you want a laugh I'll tell you the story, but only over PM (and no it wasn't about me thank God!)

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Very nice! Well carried out. I'll have to start testing that!


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Good to hear that you found the information useful, Yak!

If you need any maxed out crafting tools made using 998 conductivity, just stop by my vendor! :)
It's located inside Aubai's Resources, Avian Town. 8)

That is - crafting tools with a value of 14.94.

I've also deposited a few repair tools and stuff.

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Do you know what weapon upgrade kits do ? Are those what a slicer uses?

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Yes, the smugglers use the Weapon Upgrade Kits for slicing

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Very complete and convincing analysis Iobike :)

GJ! :)

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Iobike wrote:
If you need any maxed out crafting tools made using 998 conductivity, just stop by my vendor! :)
It's located inside Aubai's Resources, Avian Town. 8)

That is - crafting tools with a value of 14.94.
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Not knowing much about about crafting, what would these crafting tools do for me?

I use my crafting tools to make meds, camps and traps.

Would I notice better results in my meds using these tools?


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Hello, Zorrukk.

In theory, using a high quality crafting tools and stations should improve your chances of success, giving you more great (and at times amazing) successes.

Just to be sure, I always use the best quality crafting tools/stations I can find..

I'll do some testing, using lower quality tools/stations, and check if I get lower success ratings.. :)

Now if Cheetah just can place some even better ones in Avian City.. :wink:


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Yes i am placing 37.34 (!) FR crafting tools of all 4 types on my vendor within 1 hour from now. I dont think you'll be able to find better ones at the moment. Price will be 14k for everyone.

This is a 1st batch of 32 crafting stations, 8 of each type.
I'm sending out spam to sell them so if you want one today be quick. In a few days i hope to have a new batch, depending on sales :)

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Thanks, Cheetah!

Just bought the two first crafting stations - one WDG and one Struct. ..Now if I can only get some more Architect skills.. :)

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