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| Author: | Arindel [ Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:56 pm ] |
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I know many of you would be sad to see the Frosty one go in another direction (and It's good to have some variance in builds). I'll be gone for a few days and I wanted to get your input on some new/potential builds: PvE Damage Build Took away the frostbite and shatter as that only works against fozen targets. It doesn't work well against bosses anyhow who usually can't be locked down. I'll link a couple more options based on frost in a moment |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:26 pm ] |
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I like it Arindel. Arcane Subtlety is going to be tough to keep out of any build. We really are getting some nice options with this patch. Does anyone know if Ice Barrier is affected by +spell items? Also, see me PVP build in the Patch thread. |
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| Author: | Dozer [ Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:48 pm ] |
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my first draw out on my new raid specc. still not agreeing on myself here, gonna work more on it! http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?RbxEco0qZZVIMzsfo http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?R0xEcozqhZVA0c0fz 2nd raid settup... |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:06 pm ] |
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I'm having a hard time looking at a PvP Frost build (probably not enough experieince with PvP or fire to know if it would be useful to go that route). doesn't seem worthwhile to go fire unless you go all in. Kind an oddball build that might work: http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?oixx0obahZVAG000x concept here is critical strikes and the potential feezing of a target which can get really bothersome during a PvP fight. i know there's many ways to break out, but it causes a nice little delay and the 50% increase in crit hit adds a nice bonus. that add to all resist and a chance to return 5% mana can be very nice. makes that a dangerous spell for caster vs caster combat. |
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| Author: | Mantison Tau'rus [ Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:29 pm ] |
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Shatter now works with fire spells as well... but if you are running MC and up.. most things are immune to that. (I don't recall you doing alot of MC and up, but anyway...) I am going with a modified Scorch build with POM. 21/30. |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:37 pm ] |
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Mantison Tau'rus wrote: Shatter now works with fire spells as well... but if you are running MC and up.. most things are immune to that.
(I don't recall you doing alot of MC and up, but anyway...) I am going with a modified Scorch build with POM. 21/30. good to know. i imagine there will be an instance very soon that will require frost immunity and have immunity to frost. Maybe that Fire/Frost build will work out. I can probably even take out the ice barrier, but having an extra 818 hit points every 30 seconds could be very nice. i see the flame wave/Presence of Mind being a nasty combination. |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:51 pm ] |
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Dozer wrote: my first draw out on my new raid specc. still not agreeing on myself here, gonna work more on it!
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?RbxEco0qZZVIMzsfo http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?R0xEcozqhZVA0c0fz 2nd raid settup... is the first one a PvP build? if so, I have a couple questions for you 
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| Author: | Dozer [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:58 am ] |
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was first draw out for raid\pvp specc yea. still working on this, and terradoom havent got he's new specc yet  just cant ger settled with this yet lol
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| Author: | Mantison Tau'rus [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:58 am ] |
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Here it is kids, the Manni approved "Fire PWNS you ALL!!!!" build of doom. Read it and weep at its brutal savagery and powah !!!!! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... 0000000000 Abandon all hope all ye who dare Fark with the Manni-meister !!!! |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:54 am ] |
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Manni, I am openly weeping. Looks like the perfect pvp/pve arcane/fire build. |
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| Author: | Mantison Tau'rus [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:34 am ] |
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Hehe, the great thing about the mage talent rework... is that is just ONE of the MANY usable builds available to mages... Frosties now can RULE stuff with the Uber Deep Frost builds... Elementalists can really go nutso with their deep bag of tricks. The "Arcane Power" mage, although weakened, is still viable. 1.11 was a good, good thing for mages. FYI, mages are back on top of the damage meters in early raid reporting from last night... hehehe.... |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:16 pm ] |
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Agreed, Manni, and even more it made me happy to see how much the new talents were revised since they were initially released. I know there are still some very unhappy mages but it was no where near as bad as the shaman revision, which seemed to have an initial release and then that was it. |
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| Author: | Ducky [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:50 pm ] |
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Ok here are the 3 builds I am looking at please tell me what you think of them. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... 3111051300 http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... 0000000000 stole from manny and the last one http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... 0132051351 |
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| Author: | Ducky [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:44 am ] |
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ok really this is the last build this one is more on fire and some frost http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... 3110051100 |
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| Author: | Mantison Tau'rus [ Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:37 am ] |
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All I really know is fire / arcane builds... Thats all I have been at 60. My newest build is very nice for a combo PVE/PVP setup. However, the deep frost builds are pretty effective I hear. I would say any solid build that you are comfortable with will work. Just remember, PVP can go down really fast... so long cast times are a joke for the most part. Get comfortable with one build and know how all your skills work together for the best effects... |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:05 pm ] |
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Manni- You're build looks like perfect fun and I may have to give it consideration. Especially since I can't seem to come up with a good frost build. I also noticed you don't have the - 0.5 firebolt cast, do you find that hurts or actuallyhelps control agro because your crit chance seems to be through the roof. 
This is a hybrid build for PvP/PvE and goes mostly frost: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mages2/talents.html?2300500000000000000000000000000005053213112351351 Sadly missing is the Improved counterspell. The Frost skills really do seem to be split between PvP and PvE. the frostbite/increased crit chance only works well against non-boss mobs and the winter's chill seems to be good against boss's or maybe elites int a small group (2-3 people). all in all it looks great for fire mages because their only non-fire impact makes you spend considerable points to get there and doesn't really give that much for the talent cost to get there. another choice, I think is to go arcane with only those frost italents you feel you need. |
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| Author: | Mantison Tau'rus [ Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:51 pm ] |
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I almost never cast Fireball now... PVE I pull with Pyro, then scorch / fireblast it to death And yes, my crit rate is INSANE. I am still fine tuning my style with the scorch build... came in 3rd in UBRS friday, around where I always do, but absolutely LIT UP Drakk and only got agro like once... so I was LOVING it. |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:40 am ] |
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I opted for Impact vs. the .5 reduction in fireball. If Impact procs then I win. Where I miss it, is when I'm trying to get a fireball on someone that is frozen, the cast time now is usually too long to get the shatter effect. Improved CS was really only effective for me against locks. But they are so overpowered anyway that it didn't matter that much.
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| Author: | Mantison Tau'rus [ Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:13 am ] |
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PVP viability is still quite good... I had about 147 HK's in an AV match the other day... was the #2 kill total in the game... of course, I am a madman and AOE the hell out of the horde zerg... so it pads my stats, hehe... Still had way more KB's than deaths... so I felt pretty good. |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:34 am ] |
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AV is a mages dream. I've yet to try it, in fact the last two times I was on Dalaran the server crashed. WTF??? How long does your mana last Manni? My build may not be able to take any kind of extended aoeing. |
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| Author: | Mantison Tau'rus [ Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:01 pm ] |
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In AOE mode , my mana drops pretty fast... but I am a mana creating machine on raids... I love it. I wear all my +DAM gear in PVP for the quick kills, so that hurts my mana pool as well... But thats what mana gems and PVP potions are for, right? Hehehehe... I must have been in stealth mode in AV this weekend... after one or two AOE runs, the Horde usually figures me out and targets me fast... but they weren't this weekend, they just let me burn em all down... was a HOOT... But with a pt in MoE and the Arcane Absorption running, I get quite a bit of mana back, even in PVP... Have I mentioned how sexy PoM pyro is? Love killing 'Locks with it, hehehehe |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:55 pm ] |
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The new and improved AV is much faster moving, at least it seems to me. Maybe people are finding it harder to target with this new pace. Mages are usually the ones I target as a druid. Except the ones that have 4k life. I, bravely, run away from them. Also run from 6k hunters (<--nerf please). |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:03 pm ] |
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any tips and tricks before I go make my talent choices? I feel I need to keep Arindel as Frost-based as that has been part of his identity. |
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| Author: | Mantison Tau'rus [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:25 pm ] |
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read the talents before you start picking... Frost works on itself... they build upon each other... use that to your advantage. Frost is awesome if you go deep into it. |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:26 pm ] |
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Mantison Tau'rus wrote: read the talents before you start picking... Frost works on itself... they build upon each other... use that to your advantage. Frost is awesome if you go deep into it.
Problem with Frost is it works for PvP or PvE and not really both of them. Here's a revised Frost/Fire build. i think I would actually remove Flame Wave (and maybe even pyroblast) for the arcane talent: Arcane Subtlety. Here's a Frost/Arcane build. And lastly a Heavy Frost Build. It's missing the 818 damage shield every 30 seconds and that seems tough to pass up. Probably change out the frost ward for the shield, but ice block does seem to be a serious waste (unless you guys who PvP think it will be useful). also has 3 points of potential waste with arcane focus, but magic absorption seems too good to pass up. This last one is probably the build i will go with. Cone of Cold didn't seem to be a good idea as that's close range (and always a bad idea for a mage who doesn't need to level). Either that or go with Manni's build because it looks like it has jaw dropping damage
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:11 am ] |
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Played a couple hours on all three BGs last night. It's the first time I had ever had Ice Block. Works great with Spell Alert. And I do have Improved Cone of Cold. It's very useful in escaping the bad guys and as a finisher. But definitely not a useful talent unless you use CoC alot. |
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| Author: | Ducky [ Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:44 pm ] |
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I love my new fire / frost build. I played in the BG and few times and have finished in the top 2 everytime of in KB. |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:59 pm ] |
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Ducky wrote: I love my new fire / frost build. I played in the BG and few times and have finished in the top 2 everytime of in KB.
i went with a large frost build (mostly pve) and I'd rspec if pvp was goign to be my focus. Did you find yourself using your frost talents much? i imagine the aoe in frost would be of great use. |
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| Author: | Jeger [ Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:45 pm ] |
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http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=RbZZiiGIsftAo i think that's my build for my little mage. It's likely to change. |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:29 pm ] |
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Jeger wrote: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=RbZZiiGIsftAo
i think that's my build for my little mage. Yeah, that's a good option too. i think it's better pvp, but it will be serviceable in pve, just frost as your 1 main attack (same as mine). |
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| Author: | Ducky [ Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:20 pm ] |
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Arindel wrote: Ducky wrote: I love my new fire / frost build. I played in the BG and few times and have finished in the top 2 everytime of in KB. i went with a large frost build (mostly pve) and I'd rspec if pvp was goign to be my focus. Did you find yourself using your frost talents much? i imagine the aoe in frost would be of great use. At this point I use fire a little more but my frost talents come in very handy. My frost talents have saved my butt many times. (dumb rogues) |
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| Author: | Tomatoh [ Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:40 pm ] |
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Until you hit 60 and if you Solo I still think Frost is the way to go. at 60 I would respec to a build that would be usuable in Instances and PvP |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:49 pm ] |
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Dozer http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0E00fZZVA0czrzAo |
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